DEF Pump RPM's too high for the pressure (2024)

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  1. May 19, 2024 at 10:08 AM#1

    LockportLight Load Member

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    My truck is throwing SPN 4374 FMI 0 /pump RPM's higher than normal for the given pressure. I replaced it nearly 30mo ago. I noticed that during these codes and when I was derated 25% power, at any given time the DEF level was not reducing. After nearly 1000 miles of this and waiting 5h to load at a shipper, when I finally departed the DEF began flowing again and the code and derate cleared. All the next day it flowed dropping the level from 100% to 88%. Then the code came back illuminating both MIL, CIL and the 25% derate. About 50 miles in the truck derated to 55mph. Signifying that I had been experiencing SPN 5246 FMI 0 which had now gone to SPN 5246 FMI 15, the dreaded EPA codes. I was worried and should be but wasn't sure convinced of the inevitable when I crossed the border as I would be forced to stop and shut down the engine. In the past and under different circ*mstances I'd seen it derate to 5moh just by going under 5mph and without a key cycle. When I pulled into Customs I did have to stop at the line up and it did not light up the SIL . And I keyed off at the booth. Started fine but as soon as I moved the SPN 5246 FMI 16 threw, derated me to 5mph 85 miles from home. The One Box is new, as are DPF filters. And the harnesses. I'm hoping that a new DEF pump filter will resolve this as all the lines and even the doser are all newer components. I've spent over $30,000 on this EPA implemented teenage high school students pollution control emissions garbage over the last few years passing and all I've learned is that no one really has any insight into these systems and that's because it's not a naturally evolving technology like the internal diesel combustion engine, but some pencil pusher's adaptation. And I say this over the neglect of legal implementation considered in the introduction of these technologies that have the ability in certain circ*mstances to force a driver to be stranded when the engine can still get along down the road because it's absolutely fine.
    During last year's numerous out of control wildfires in Canada, where I've driving within 100 yards of visible flames accelerating (the flames not the truck) what could happen in remote Canadian bush country with infrequent traffic in such circ*mstances.

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  3. May 19, 2024 at 11:13 AM#2

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    I agree, not many if any one has a complete understanding of causes and cures for the ATS. It makes no sense to me to introduce dirty air in to the clean air flow for the combustion chamber.
    1 of the mechanic shift managers I get repairs done. He calls the ATS , witchcraft.

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  4. May 19, 2024 at 11:57 AM#3

    LockportLight Load Member

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    Well it's the magnitude that Caterpillar deserted the industry of On Highway Diesel Engines that stuns me. I had a Bridge Engine in a 2004 Peterbilt that didn't meet emissions regs and had a sticker on it that said CAT paid a penalty to market it. It ran very hot. Fan didn't come on until 225°. I believe and have heard rumors that when the EPA was dictating to CAT engineers this was speaking out of control. And you have to look at how CAT stood behind their engines with warranty obligations. And then take a look at Cummins' Progressive Warranty for a good laugh . Don't forget to read between the lines.

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    FAQs

    How do you know if your DEF pump is bad? ›

    One of the first signs of DEF presence in engine areas is the Check Engine light turning on. Don't ignore this, as damage may occur and your vehicle could shut down. In addition, a noted increase in the amount of DEF used, or malfunctions in the SCR system may be warning signs that your DEF has been contaminated.

    How much psi should a DEF pump have? ›

    The DEF pump module bladder is recharged with air to 2.8-3.2 bar (40-46 psi) upon installation. The bladder's air pressure needs to be checked every two years.

    What causes low DEF pressure? ›

    If low pressure is present, the DEF pump filter may have dried out. To help resolve the issue, allow the DEF pump to sit in DEF fluid overnight in order to re-saturate the filter. The following morning, perform the leak test three additional times. The pump should now be able to build pressure.

    What is good DEF pressure? ›

    You simply run the SCR ADS Self-Check Routine, and you are looking at the following parameters to be within specifications: DEF Pump Speed between 750 RPM and 1800 RPM. DEF Pressure between 900 mbar and 1100 mbar (130 psi to 160 psi)

    What happens when a DEF sensor goes bad? ›

    “Malfunction of DEF Quality Sensors (DEFQS) can cause an engine torque derate through a number of different failure modes, including incorrectly or inappropriately detecting of low fluid quality in the diesel exhaust fluid tank, failure to communicate with the ECM, or being in a failed or offline state,” Thomas noted.

    What are the symptoms of a DEF injector? ›

    5 Signs that Indicate Diesel Injector Failure
    • Trouble starting the vehicle or uneven idling. The engine cranks but doesn't start unless you crank it for a long time or it uses different speeds of revs on idle.
    • Misfire. ...
    • Smell of fuel. ...
    • Dirty emissions. ...
    • Increased fuel consumption and poor miles per gallon.

    Should you pump to max psi? ›

    What happens if you inflate your tires to the max PSI? Your tires' max PSI almost always exceeds the recommended pressure. It isn't advisable to fill your tire to this pressure for everyday driving. At max PSI, your car does not handle as well, braking is impaired, and you could risk dangerous blowouts.

    How to prime a DEF pump? ›

    Using the supplied 30cc syringe and a new, clean container of DEF, fill the syringe at least half full. Insert the nozzle of the filled syringe into the inlet port on the bottom of the pump. Slowly push the plunger of the syringe to force the clean DEF into the pump until the syringe is empty (refer to Photo 1).

    What is a high DEF pump supply current? ›

    This diagnostic is typically Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF) Pump Supply Current High. This code sets when the electrical current to the pump is greater than 900 mA for 10 seconds for 10 consecutive times.

    Where is the DEF pressure sensor? ›

    The def fluid pressure sensor is built into the def pump. The def pump will be attached to the rear of the def tank mounting brackets. This is a non serviceable part and can not be replaced without the entire pump assembly being changed.

    What is the code for DEF pressure low? ›

    There is a pressure sensor that monitors how much pressure the DEF pump produces. It needs to produce 51 PSI within 45 seconds from the time the pump is commanded on. Code P20E8 suggests the pump did not reach that target.

    What happens when a DEF injector fails? ›

    An improperly working DEF injector will cause your truck to display a check engine light or "Reductive Fluid Quality" message on your dash. This can often cause your truck to go into limp mode and give you engine codes.

    How full should DEF fluid be? ›

    DEF is consumed at a rate of about 2-3% relative to the amount of fuel you are using. This means between 1.2 and 2.0 gallons of DEF will be required for a vehicle with a 65-gallon gas tank. If you have a five-gallon DEF tank, DEF should be replaced every third or fourth time you fill up.

    What is the highest quality DEF fluid? ›

    Overall, Blue Def DEF002–2PK Diesel Exhaust Fluid, 2.5 Gallon, 2 Pack is a reliable and efficient DEF fluid that can help reduce NOx emissions of diesel engines. If you're looking for a high-quality DEF fluid that meets the highest safety and performance standards, this is a great option.

    What is a good DEF refractometer reading? ›

    The ideal, or target reading is 32.5%. If under, more DEF con- centration is needed. If over, the urea concentration is too high. In reality, most DEF purchases will consist of premixed containers.

    Can you clean a DEF pump? ›

    DEF system cleaning will help keep your diesel equipment running smoothly. It is a required maintenance on all diesel industrial equipment. Neglecting to do this can lead to problems in engine performance, fuel injector failures, and it can even damage the DEF system pump.

    How often should a DEF pump filter be changed? ›

    Increased Fuel Consumption: Not changing a Urea/DEF filter can restrict exhaust flow and increase back pressure, which makes it harder for the engine to breathe and operate efficiently. To avoid these issues, Urea/DEF filters must be replaced on an annual basis or every 120-150,000 miles.

    What happens when the reductant heater pump fails? ›

    The P20BA code can stem from the failure of certain parts like the reductant heater, reductant temperature sensor, and glow plug control module. The common symptoms of a P20BA code include an illuminated check engine light, no DPF regeneration, and the vehicle entering Reduced Power Mode.

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